Globalize the intifada. Islam is right about women, gays, and Jews. Jeffries will not be speaker because most Americans are horrified by the Islamist socialist nightmare in NYC. The DSA candidates won the downwardly mobile white leftist vote, not the minority working class that they claim to speak for. Enjoy your champagne socialism.
Darializa won Black voters in the historic power center of Black America. Valdez won Latinos and dominated all races under age 50. DSA candidates down ballot knocked out incumbents in racially diverse districts all over Brooklyn. But don’t let facts get in the way of your lazy narrative.
"A 5,000-year-old faith must be divorced from a single malevolent nation-state that should have little to do with the future of the United States of America."
How glib. The nation of Israel has always been central to Judaism. You can't go three pages in the Torah without having this driven home by the scripture..
the nation of Israel means the people of Israel. Even in exlie, Am yisroel chai. (And you my recall that Zionism had many ieas about where to set down a settlement, including on an island NY harbor. How do I know? not the bible but the white-bearded rabbis told me so.)
The "promised land" is central to Judaism for millions of Jews - including many if not most Jews who are actually religious. This point is driven home in the Torah relentlessly. That is just the reality. It is ridiculously glib for someone who is, by his own description, a Jew by descent but nonpracticing, to declare Israel is easily disposed of.
I didn't say all, did I? And Barkan didn't say Jews should be willing to criticize Israeli polcies. I agree they should. He literally wrote "A 5,000-year-old faith must be divorced from a single malevolent nation-state." As if half the world's Jews don't live there.
Again, the fact that there are some liberal and Hasidic Jews who oppose the existence of Israel as a Jewish state doesn't change the fact that it is central to the religion of millions of Jews who are not going to "divorce" from it because Ross says they must.
Already there are imbeciles in the comments pushing bad faith talking points about DSA representing a White politics. Their emperors have no clothes. DSA is revitalizing local politics by encouraging human-to-human connection (>300k doors knocked for Claire alone!) and proving that it’s a winning strategy, one that in fact propels people of color into victory as well as our shared moral principles.
I’m sorry that that was your experience but that simply isn’t corroborated by the data. Taking Harlem for example, DAC only lost majority Black precincts by 2% (45 v. 47 according to current data). Besides, people of color are not a monolith yet DSA does not lose them outright.
Also a lie. My district in Queens is overwhelmingly non-White, where most residents are of east Asian, Latino or south Asian descent. The DSA candidate won handily there.
This is a very reactionary take that isn’t supported by fact, and almost every single DSA candidate elected last night is not White. You’re going to have to reconsider your worldview but I’m not interested in you doing that in my replies.
The DSA is a "multiracial" group in the same way that Maroon 5 is -- as in, they're both merely ~85% white. (And lest you accuse me of pulling this figure from my ass, peep the DSA's own member survey: https://www.dsanorthstar.org/uploads/1/1/8/2/118222942/2021_member_survey_gdc_report.pdf) They're a little more brown in post-Mamdani, I will grant you, but DSA-NYC still aren't a majority-minority org. Not even close.
Obviously DSA apparatchiks are not going to go on the record and say "our strategy is to pick one or two brown people to run in recently-gentrified nabes," but ... their strategy *is* to pick one or two brown people to run in recently-gentrified nabes. I don't know how you could look at the past ten years of local elections in NYC and come to any other conclusion. A lot of the time those candidates are better representatives than the incumbents -- I think that's certainly true of DAC vs. Espaillat! -- but none of that's in contradiction with their rank-and-file being extremely white.
Cool! That doesn’t discount the fact that our politics overwhelmingly benefit people of color nor that the majority of our elected officials are people of color. It’s actually a good thing to have so many White people recognize the benefits of uplifting minority politicians. If we were a majority-minority organization that only took up for White elected officials, that would be a serious issue. Not buying what you’re selling here.
The US is not Sweden with bigger cars. The Nordics weren’t socialist in the traditional sense of the word-more social democrat; high tax, big state, generous benefits. It works in a stable predictable economic environment (and in high trust societies).
Fair q. Different ways to spread the pain. In the US drugs are approved earlier for example and therefore reach patients earlier. The US is an outlier regarding healthcare costs (as % of GDP) and does not have the life expectancy to justify the premium (IMO).
Surprised, in a good way, by the scope of Valdez's win. (My tinfoil hat theory is that Reynoso's borough president status may not have looked as impressive as it might at a different time given Eric Adams's time in office.)
Hearing from friends about the WFP's inroads in NJ, I wonder if we're seeing its influence wane in NYC even as it grows elsewhere. Something to keep an eye on, for sure.
No tinfoil hat necessary -- borough prez has *never* been an impressive or substantive job. (Marty Golden's responsibilities as Brooklyn borough prez exclusively consisted of showing up to high school graduations and doing a bit where he'd wave around a lightsaber.) It gives you to eight years to schmooze in advance of a mayoral run, I guess? But only half of NY-7 is in Brooklyn, and the Brooklyn half is only, like, 10% of Reynoso's territory.
Valdez winning with such a mandate is still surprising. I like her -- I can't *not* like her, she's practically my doppelganger -- but challenging Reynoso seems like a weird choice when there are still plenty of do-nothing centrist incumbents DSA could have tried muscling out of office.
Reynoso wasn't an incumbent, the seat was open after Nydia vacated it. The seat was at the heart of the Commie Corridor, DSA would've been stupid *not* to take it and instead choose to abide by the verdict of a self-interested 'empress'.
DSA is not just another progressive org trying to elect better Democrats. It is trying to establish a European-style mass political party(which is not what a party is under American law, therefore DSA is not officially a party), with a leadership and electeds accountable to the dues-paying membership, and organized as a collective group.
I remember Vito Lopez's Brooklyn machine quite well, having helped to defeat it. In those days Gallagher, Restler and Reynoso were all friends of mine. We could only dream in 2010 of the kind of organizing that is happening now. And yet, it is now done in support of utter lunacy (abolish the police/prisons/immigration controls) and I am heartbroken to see it.
I still can't believe David Orkin just steamrolled over Jennifer Rajkumar in AD 38. He was not endorsed by Mamdani but was endorsed by Sanders and AOC.
On the other hand, after what establishment Dems tried to do with Mamdani, i wouldn't be surprised if some of these defeated candidates run as independents, or if Dems just decide to back GOP candidates. It's not over yet.
Winnning is winning, but AOC got 16k votes when she won her runoff. That was the model, get it into runoff and count on other side not being motivated enough to vote twice.
I think Chapo Trap House and DSA are all making the mistake of thinking there is some sort of left wave, when it’s concentrated in arguably the most left part of the most left city in the United States.
Be careful, because I think this could cause MAGA and the offshoot (be it Vance, Rubio or whomever) to easily use socialism to scare off the middle from voting for liberals anywhere OUTSIDE of NYC.
The state of Israel owns Judaism and uses the diaspora for its own ends. Those who do not support Israel simply leave the faith. In the long run it will result in the death of Judaism in the west.
Many don't know what the DSA really is. There goal state ownership of the means of production, that is, classic socialism. And their leadership has been taken over by Marxists in recent years, so they are now more radical than when they started out. MAGA is still the bigger threat right now, but Dems should not sleep on the socialists. They are a real potential danger to our society too if they start amassing more support.
I think a lot of people don't even know how to define the term socialism.
Literally never said that about Darializa. In fact, I said in May that Zohran should endorse her.
I said from Day 1 Valdez was the favorite. I repeated that over and over. At times I questioned their messaging (around ICE in particular) but said she would win and Zohran would help make it happen, which she did.
You’re right. Thank you for the correction. I’m sorry I was confused with Michael Lange’s prediction that Darializa won’t win. I apologize and take it back. But you did say that Claire’s campaign lacked energy! That part I stand by! Anyway I appreciate your opinions and I like your work.
Globalize the intifada. Islam is right about women, gays, and Jews. Jeffries will not be speaker because most Americans are horrified by the Islamist socialist nightmare in NYC. The DSA candidates won the downwardly mobile white leftist vote, not the minority working class that they claim to speak for. Enjoy your champagne socialism.
wandered in from X, didja?
yawn.
Jeffries is also allied with Peter Thiel, which should be a death sentence from the left
Fear gags the possible
Darializa won Black voters against AIPAC Adriano and held well with Hispanic voters. Cope and seethe more.
Darializa won Black voters in the historic power center of Black America. Valdez won Latinos and dominated all races under age 50. DSA candidates down ballot knocked out incumbents in racially diverse districts all over Brooklyn. But don’t let facts get in the way of your lazy narrative.
lol
"Jeffries will not be speaker"
With today's gambling sites, you could make a ton of money on this if you really believe it.
"A 5,000-year-old faith must be divorced from a single malevolent nation-state that should have little to do with the future of the United States of America."
How glib. The nation of Israel has always been central to Judaism. You can't go three pages in the Torah without having this driven home by the scripture..
the nation of Israel means the people of Israel. Even in exlie, Am yisroel chai. (And you my recall that Zionism had many ieas about where to set down a settlement, including on an island NY harbor. How do I know? not the bible but the white-bearded rabbis told me so.)
The "promised land" is central to Judaism for millions of Jews - including many if not most Jews who are actually religious. This point is driven home in the Torah relentlessly. That is just the reality. It is ridiculously glib for someone who is, by his own description, a Jew by descent but nonpracticing, to declare Israel is easily disposed of.
Tell that to followers of the Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism.
And, obviously, current criticism of Israel is about the genocide in Gaza and the apartheid-driven ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, and now Lebanon.
I didn't say all, did I? And Barkan didn't say Jews should be willing to criticize Israeli polcies. I agree they should. He literally wrote "A 5,000-year-old faith must be divorced from a single malevolent nation-state." As if half the world's Jews don't live there.
He did not say Israel, which he correctly describes as a 'single malevolent nation-state' which is younger than living memory, 'should be disposed'.
And, again, there are plenty of Reform and Orthodox Jews who are fundamentally opposed to the state of Israel.
You and all the weird bots in this thread might be sad today, but it doesn't change the fact that Israel is a state, not a religion.
Again, the fact that there are some liberal and Hasidic Jews who oppose the existence of Israel as a Jewish state doesn't change the fact that it is central to the religion of millions of Jews who are not going to "divorce" from it because Ross says they must.
Already there are imbeciles in the comments pushing bad faith talking points about DSA representing a White politics. Their emperors have no clothes. DSA is revitalizing local politics by encouraging human-to-human connection (>300k doors knocked for Claire alone!) and proving that it’s a winning strategy, one that in fact propels people of color into victory as well as our shared moral principles.
Nearly everyone I ran into out campaigning for DSA candidates was white. Long time black residents of Bed Stuy and Harlem don't vote DSA.
I’m sorry that that was your experience but that simply isn’t corroborated by the data. Taking Harlem for example, DAC only lost majority Black precincts by 2% (45 v. 47 according to current data). Besides, people of color are not a monolith yet DSA does not lose them outright.
The more relevant measure is how she did with blacks in (now-slim) majority majority black precincts - not great. DSA is a very white movement.
Also a lie. My district in Queens is overwhelmingly non-White, where most residents are of east Asian, Latino or south Asian descent. The DSA candidate won handily there.
You are just sad today. It's ok.
Except DAC won Black voters. You’re just incorrect.
This is a very reactionary take that isn’t supported by fact, and almost every single DSA candidate elected last night is not White. You’re going to have to reconsider your worldview but I’m not interested in you doing that in my replies.
D S A : Doesn't Seem American.
The DSA is a "multiracial" group in the same way that Maroon 5 is -- as in, they're both merely ~85% white. (And lest you accuse me of pulling this figure from my ass, peep the DSA's own member survey: https://www.dsanorthstar.org/uploads/1/1/8/2/118222942/2021_member_survey_gdc_report.pdf) They're a little more brown in post-Mamdani, I will grant you, but DSA-NYC still aren't a majority-minority org. Not even close.
Obviously DSA apparatchiks are not going to go on the record and say "our strategy is to pick one or two brown people to run in recently-gentrified nabes," but ... their strategy *is* to pick one or two brown people to run in recently-gentrified nabes. I don't know how you could look at the past ten years of local elections in NYC and come to any other conclusion. A lot of the time those candidates are better representatives than the incumbents -- I think that's certainly true of DAC vs. Espaillat! -- but none of that's in contradiction with their rank-and-file being extremely white.
Cool! That doesn’t discount the fact that our politics overwhelmingly benefit people of color nor that the majority of our elected officials are people of color. It’s actually a good thing to have so many White people recognize the benefits of uplifting minority politicians. If we were a majority-minority organization that only took up for White elected officials, that would be a serious issue. Not buying what you’re selling here.
Yeah, the weird trolls got busy on this thread quickly. Lots of sad Trump fans? Or well programmed bots?
The only people who believe in socialism are those who have not lived under it.
If you don’t think we have socialism in the USA, I mean lol.
Again, yawn.
Yes, Scandinavian countries have done terribly with democratic socialism.
The US is not Sweden with bigger cars. The Nordics weren’t socialist in the traditional sense of the word-more social democrat; high tax, big state, generous benefits. It works in a stable predictable economic environment (and in high trust societies).
'more social democrat' - you just negated your own dumbass comment by describing the DSA.
Will always run out of other people’s money.
Um...
Translation: I don't want brown people getting free healthcare
In my country healthcare is “free” regardless of race, colour or religion. But it is rationed. There are always consequences for choices.
Is it worse than the rationing that takes place under for-profit healthcare?
In the US a quarter to a third of the population skips necessary medical care every year because they can't afford it.
Fair q. Different ways to spread the pain. In the US drugs are approved earlier for example and therefore reach patients earlier. The US is an outlier regarding healthcare costs (as % of GDP) and does not have the life expectancy to justify the premium (IMO).
Surprised, in a good way, by the scope of Valdez's win. (My tinfoil hat theory is that Reynoso's borough president status may not have looked as impressive as it might at a different time given Eric Adams's time in office.)
Hearing from friends about the WFP's inroads in NJ, I wonder if we're seeing its influence wane in NYC even as it grows elsewhere. Something to keep an eye on, for sure.
No tinfoil hat necessary -- borough prez has *never* been an impressive or substantive job. (Marty Golden's responsibilities as Brooklyn borough prez exclusively consisted of showing up to high school graduations and doing a bit where he'd wave around a lightsaber.) It gives you to eight years to schmooze in advance of a mayoral run, I guess? But only half of NY-7 is in Brooklyn, and the Brooklyn half is only, like, 10% of Reynoso's territory.
Valdez winning with such a mandate is still surprising. I like her -- I can't *not* like her, she's practically my doppelganger -- but challenging Reynoso seems like a weird choice when there are still plenty of do-nothing centrist incumbents DSA could have tried muscling out of office.
*Markowitz
D'oh. Yes, Markowitz was BP, not Golden.
(If you needed evidence how little impact a borough prez has...)
Reynoso wasn't an incumbent, the seat was open after Nydia vacated it. The seat was at the heart of the Commie Corridor, DSA would've been stupid *not* to take it and instead choose to abide by the verdict of a self-interested 'empress'.
DSA is not just another progressive org trying to elect better Democrats. It is trying to establish a European-style mass political party(which is not what a party is under American law, therefore DSA is not officially a party), with a leadership and electeds accountable to the dues-paying membership, and organized as a collective group.
I remember Vito Lopez's Brooklyn machine quite well, having helped to defeat it. In those days Gallagher, Restler and Reynoso were all friends of mine. We could only dream in 2010 of the kind of organizing that is happening now. And yet, it is now done in support of utter lunacy (abolish the police/prisons/immigration controls) and I am heartbroken to see it.
lol
Sucks to be you.
DSA is--both from a discourse and crypto-Jew-hating perspective--rather transparently MAGA-left
I still can't believe David Orkin just steamrolled over Jennifer Rajkumar in AD 38. He was not endorsed by Mamdani but was endorsed by Sanders and AOC.
Last night was a great night for NYC.
On the other hand, after what establishment Dems tried to do with Mamdani, i wouldn't be surprised if some of these defeated candidates run as independents, or if Dems just decide to back GOP candidates. It's not over yet.
Winnning is winning, but AOC got 16k votes when she won her runoff. That was the model, get it into runoff and count on other side not being motivated enough to vote twice.
I think Chapo Trap House and DSA are all making the mistake of thinking there is some sort of left wave, when it’s concentrated in arguably the most left part of the most left city in the United States.
Be careful, because I think this could cause MAGA and the offshoot (be it Vance, Rubio or whomever) to easily use socialism to scare off the middle from voting for liberals anywhere OUTSIDE of NYC.
Don’t fuck this up.
The state of Israel owns Judaism and uses the diaspora for its own ends. Those who do not support Israel simply leave the faith. In the long run it will result in the death of Judaism in the west.
Many don't know what the DSA really is. There goal state ownership of the means of production, that is, classic socialism. And their leadership has been taken over by Marxists in recent years, so they are now more radical than when they started out. MAGA is still the bigger threat right now, but Dems should not sleep on the socialists. They are a real potential danger to our society too if they start amassing more support.
I think a lot of people don't even know how to define the term socialism.
Rubbish
Considering the source, there is some valuable wisdom here for both estabishment parties...if it is absorbed.
He may see himself as King Maker, but of only 300 sq. miles.
Literally never said that about Darializa. In fact, I said in May that Zohran should endorse her.
I said from Day 1 Valdez was the favorite. I repeated that over and over. At times I questioned their messaging (around ICE in particular) but said she would win and Zohran would help make it happen, which she did.
You’re right. Thank you for the correction. I’m sorry I was confused with Michael Lange’s prediction that Darializa won’t win. I apologize and take it back. But you did say that Claire’s campaign lacked energy! That part I stand by! Anyway I appreciate your opinions and I like your work.